Why are the parents not looking after all these kids, and allowing them to hang out at such a late hour on Saturday night into Sunday morning? Where is the adult supervision of this party and why were there no cops monitoring this event? I think an under 18 curfew is in order to prevent this kind of incident from happening.

To Mayor Christenson and City Council: it's time to implement such a curfew!

Can you link to some of the Twitter conversation?

Toni, found the Twitter comments, you were right. I'm disappointed in today's youth. In my day, we threw parties because parties are fun on their own merits. Of course, we also didn't throw them in religious buildings and we brought booze (but not so much with the weapons). Get off my lawn, ya twerps.

https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/malden%20party

Ok, so this was a Project X party hosted at the temple. So why was MPD not covering this event, and making sure that no incidents would occur? Who was the organizer of this event? He/She or they should be held liable for what happened afterwards.

No detail, I hope the Temple leaders who do the renting will be questioned about that.

So, by extension, any church that has more than 50 people show up on a SUnday needs a police detail? And for Bar Mitzvas too? The temple's responsibility ends when they have the organizers sign the rental agreement for the hall. It's the organizers who are responsible for hiring and paying for a police officer. As far as the article's claim that there's a maximum of 150 people, that building was designed to hold many more. I'm surprised they actually started turning people away, since, hell, they broke the law by not hiring a peace officer, so why bother limiting the number of guests. The fact that they limited the number of guests says a great deal about trying to remain in compliance. And requiring a curfew is a bit totalitarian. How about actually teaching people the law through community outreach and education to prevent these kind of incidents instead of punishing innocent people with curfews? Or is being proactive too much to ask for?

Hey folks, I spoke with someone at the temple, who says they were completely duped by the party organizer.

http://patch.com/A-rHbs

He also said it's the person renting the hall's responsibility to set up a detail. In this case, they didn't think twice about it because they were led to believe this was a Haitian church throwing a sweet 16 party.

As far as I know, there's a exception for religious groups when it comes to details, or else they'd need a cop at every weekend service in town. I can look into that to verify.

Toni, it is vindictiveness, because the one thing I DON'T hear you saying is that the police should find the person who perpetrated the stabbing and hold HIM accountable. I've grown up with anti-semitism in Malden my whole life. And I'm 3rd generation. My parents had to deal with it and my grandparents had to deal with it. Whether you intend it or not, the fact that you're blaming the temple instead of the person who PERPETRATED THE CRIME make you sound antisemitic.

Remember, they claimed that they were renting the hall for a "small Sweet 16 party for a Church member"; that wouldn't require a detail hired by either side. They never told the Temple that there would be hundreds of kids around.

Regardless, the stabbing occurred in the street, which means it isn't either the temple's or the organizer's problem, legally. It was on public property.

Diana, when you hire a function hall, you are responsible for also hiring the staff and any other support personnel, including a police detail. I think the major point that's being missed is that the stabber is responsible for the stabbing. Laying blame on the temple does little but create a chilling effect on our community. A Jewish temple opened its doors to what was believed to be a Haitian church group. That's a big deal when it comes to relations in a culturally and religiously diverse community. But laying blame at the feet of the temple when they weren't the ones who committed the crime is no better than scapegoating them. Every legal contract (like the one signed between the temple and the event organizer) is different, and unless the temple was in violation of a contract, which they authored and no doubt have used dozens of times before, then the "blame" lies elsewhere. But finger pointing just makes folks sound vindictive. Let the police handle the investigation.

Brian are you in touch with reality.

Brian your the only one here that keeps bringing up a religous angle. This has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with liability. I'm sorry but it starts with the Temple unfortunately, to the renter, and obviously to the person that stabbed the victim.

It's the temples fault. Should have looked into it more. Is that racist that I think like that? No, who owns the building? Who did not look into the group they rented out to?

The renter stated that they represented a group that has previously rented the hall on a number of occasions (the Hatian Church). No reason to believe that this time was any different

Did the same contact come in for the rental or a teenager?

The Haitian Church that rented the hall is on Main St. at the corner of Spring St. I believe. If this is true? That Church is plenty big enough for a supposed "sweet 16" party. And on that note. What sweet sixteen party do you know of that as less then fifty people attending, family and friends combined? City by-laws say over fifty people, you need a police detail. The Temple seeing as they routinely rent there hall out to outside orginazations, should no the city law and make sure that a detail is in place for a function over fifty. Period.

Brian, seems like the only troll here is you. You live under a rock or something?

Brian you started the name calling contest and the racist angle in this conversation not me. What you seem to have a problem with is blame and responsibility go deeper than you want it to. ether you like it or not? The Temple, the renter, and the person who did the stabbing are all responsible here. Juat as a bar / club and the bartender are responsible for over serving a drunk driver that has killed someone.

Diana, thank you. Employees of the hall should have done something once they noticed the size of the crowd assembling. Like call the police. Also. Who was watching the door? According to multiple sources. You had to pay to get in. But I guess that wasn't a RED FLAG? Doesn't sound like a sweet sixteen party I've ever been to. Unless you count asking your friends and relatives to all make something to eat so you don't have to have it catered.

Greg, nowhere did I "start the racist angle". In fact, until you just mentioned it, racism was never brought up. I brought up anti-semitism in Malden, something which I have personally experienced growing up here. I'm not going to sit around silently and be told my point of view has no validity just because you don't want to hear it. I'm living in a very solid reality of growing up Jewish in Malden. And I've seen Jewish temples attacked in the media for less. So you need to back it up. You're way off base. Your reality obviously doesn't intersect with mine, and that's why an open forum like this is valuable - to share views, opinions, feelings. But I won't silently be insulted by a bully.

Call it what you want Brian. Religion has got nothing to do with this. Period. I'm Catholic and have seen my church's attacked also. I have the up most respect for Jewish people, as I do for all people. As long as they act responsibly.

Danny. Thank you. It has absolutely nothing to do with your religion or the color of your skin. It has to do with responsibility, and responsibility has multiple layers.

DannyBoy, one small correction. I haven't engaged in "anti-semitic talk." I've been exploring antisemitism in Malden and its relationship to this event. If the temple is found to be wrong, I'll admit that the investigation was neutral and appropriate and that the temple should pay whatever reparations that are deemed necessary. However, jumping to the conclusion that the temple was responsible when the follow-up article _clearly_ states that the people who rented it misrepresented the event and the number of people who showed, and that they had rented the space before without a detail or incident, is laying blame on another victim of the event - the temple.

Brian you need to check yourself and back up thru comments. You are absolutely the one that brought up the religion aspect. Just out of curiousity? What do you do for the youth of the city of Malden?

Brian. At the end of the day. The city law on private functions over fifty people requires a detail officer, and the Temple being an active rental facility they should know that. There needs to be some responsibility on their part.

Oh and Brian lets not forget that a 17 year old kid got stabbed here. A 17 year old kid that was captain of the Malden High School basketball team. Not a 17 year old kid roaming the streets looking to rob someone for their cell phone, or I-Pod, or sneakers, or whatever they think they can take for themselves, or out there dealing drugs or stealing cars. But you know what? The scumb bag that stabbed him probably was one of them? But like you said. There are only one or two of those types in this city. Take your blinders off. Theres a lot more than one or two bad apples in this city. And it has nothing to do with race or religion.

Oh, and Greg, by revealing the identity of the student in an open forum, you;ve just disrespected the intent of the Malden Police Department and the boy's family by keeping his identity anonymous. With the information you just gave, anyone can look up his identity. Perhaps you ought to consider removing your comment?

Brian. My information came from a much bigger forum than this. Facebook. So a lot of people know who the victim is. Which the MPD does not have to divulge if it does not want to. The family has requested no visitors yes, but their son is hardly anonymous. There have been plenty of friends that have tried to visit him. The problem is the "secret" on who the suspect is. There were way to many people at this party inside and out. No way nobody saw nothing, and know's nothing. Other than a couple of people that the police may have talked to that night.

I'm just curious Brian. Do you have a scanner? If so? Did you listen to this incident like I did, and some others here on this forum?

Greg, do you know what "false authority syndrome" is? Having a police scanner does not make you an expert. Neither does reading Facebook. Maybe you ought to consider the victim's anonymity first instead of spreading information that may or may not be true. Reading about the incident is good. It keeps us informed. But the full information on the incident hasn't been released. Speculation does a great disservice to the privacy and safety of the victim, and the outcome of the legal case. If you really care as much as you claim to, you'll let the matter drop.

Greg should worry about his own kid instead of pretending to be part of the Superhuman League of Malden.