As a father of two girls and a teacher I take personal safety very seriously. I teach my children life lessons daily. Be it respect, common courtesy, personal safety… If you focus proper decision making skills they will know what to do if a situation arises.

As a parent and military member, my thoughts are this...absolutely the schools schould train and practice their procedures for an shooter. This should be routine, almost as routine as a fire drill. Realistically these practices should take place in our place of work too. WIth regards to the parents enforcing this, I believe the parents should also receive training from the school. This way they can enforce those same practices with their children at home and the kids are getting a reinforced consistent message without confusion as to what to do in that sort of scenario. Most law enforcement departments can provide training to teachers and school leadership. Let's hope no one will ever have to experience such a tragedy again.

"schools have reviewed their safety procedures" This is a pretty broad statement. The only things schools teach your kids is how to be a victim. We have the God given Unalienable Right to protect ourselves and our loved ones.
Parents need to know as much as they can about their teachers and what they are teaching their kids.
The ultimate responsibility and God given right to protect and defend your kids lies with the parent. Relinquish your responsibility at your own risk.
If you think the Gov or any one of their many agencies can protect them or you..... you are crazy!

Wakefield Police Chief Richard Smith told Fox 25 in Boston this week that of the 17 Level 1 sex offenders in Wakefield, 16 committed their crimes against children. How many are in Stoneham? How many are working or living around your schools, church's, playgrounds, etc? YOU don't know! Why?
Because our feckless legislators on Beacon Hill are more intent on protecting the rights of sex offenders over the rights of our own children.
Do you honestly think they have the spine to protect you from crazies with the intent on murdering the most innocent amongst us?
Do you honestly think the crazies are going to abide by any feel good legislation passed by those fools on Beacon Hill?
You have the right and responsibility to carry whatever weapon necessary to protect you and your loved ones from anyone intent on doing you or them harm.

I vaguely remember my older brother's early Heath Brook years being told to get under his desk in the event of the dreaded a-bomb. I don't know what a school can realistically say to kids when there is no way to actually defend themselves and the shooter knows this. Don't know what parents can say either other than tell them it is still a highly unusual event that should not distract their attention and confidence.

So the answer to the proliferation of Bushmaster AR-15, military style M-16's with 30 odd clips is to carry a police whistle? Anyone agree with that? My answer is to get rid of the Bushmaster AR-15's and all similar semi-automatic weapons so you don't need the police whistles. Outlaw them and confiscate them just like you do illegal drugs. Problem solved. Police whistles!

I can't get over the utter lack of common sense today. Yesterday two school buses carrying 4 and 5 year olds in (I think) Haverhill were shot at by supposedly a BB gun or pellet gun. Well, they decided to put some buses out there "empty..with no children in them", in hopes of someone taking a shot at one. Would someone please explain to me if you can, why the media put this information about the empty school buses on news???? Why advertise it!!!!! Stupidity and ignorance at its best!!! It is astounding how much of a lack of common sense there is today. Sad, really!

To the original question I have long told my child that if he sees a gun in school that he must immediately run and tell a person of authority. I have always expected such person to be a student ala Columbine. I have never expected someone off the street to ambush a school. So now I say in an ambush scenario, follow instructions if given, hide and play dead if necessary.

And while removing assault weapons off the street is difficult it does not mean that it should not be done. We implement legislation and use laws and regulations to enforce them. The belief that there are good guys who have guns and bad guys with gun is a flawed narcissistic view of humanity. We are all capable of acts of deviance. I am more concerned about being hurt by a "responsible" gun owner than I am by the stranger boogie man.

The reality is that there are no steps that we can take to prevent a mass shooting. If someone wants a gun badly enough, he or she will obtain it whether it is legal or illegal, banned or not banned. You can buy a handgun illegally on the black market for $300 to $500, and this is an illegal market that law enforcement already knows about.

The truth is that mass shootings happen so rarely (you are 50 percent more likely to be be killed by lightning, for example, than to die from a mass shooting) that it is simply not honest to say that we can predict where, when, and how one will occur. It should be noted that the TSA has never thwarted an actual terrorist attack, although it is true that its mere presence may discourage would-be terrorists from attacking.

There are, however, steps that we can take to reduce the risk of a mass shooting, and the most important of these would be to ban high capacity magazines. Connecticut has one of the strictest gun laws on the books, and one of the most exhaustive lists of banned "assault weapons" but it does not restrict magazine capacity, and that is what made the weapon that Adam Lanza used so lethal.

If anyone out there wants some actual help with talking about scary situations like this with children, here are a couple of links to some great resources.
PBS has an Arthur story with suggestions and tips for the parents: http://www.pbs.org/parents/arthur/resources/parentguides/safe.index.html?cat=index.en

and the American Academy of Pediatrics also has a great bunch of resources:
http://www.healthychildren.org/English/news/Pages/AAP-Offers-Resources-to-Help-Parents,-Children-and-Others-Cope-in-the-Aftermath-of-School-Shootings.aspx?nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token&nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token

The only solution to a "bad guy" with a gun, is a "good guy" with a gun. Switzerland was able to stay neutral during world war two despite being surrounded by evil, because every male citizen was armed. And, no I am not saying that every male citizen should be armed here. If you go back and look at the first assault rifle banned back in 94. What happened? Oklahoma City bombing did. And,no guns were used in that evil act. I think that as a society, we have to look at the epidemic of over medication of our children. It seems like more of our children are being prescribed these heavy drugs for ocd, adhd, hyper activity. etc...and no one knows what the long term affects these medicines have on humans. So for me personally, I honestly think we have to look for answers elsewhere other then banning guns. I mean look at how good the laws on illegal drugs are helping our society.

Well, If Hitler could have done the same with Switzerland, then why didn't he? I mean he was a mad man and wanted to control all of Europe. I mean did he ju ost say,of the Swiss make great Choclate, lets leave them alone? I visit my local library quite often, maybe next trip you may want to join.

Aah poor Quasi... Clearly he slept through History and Geography.

Quasi, let me give you a hint... Switzerland is a mountainous country – with very few access points [called mountain passes] for an army to advance. The defenders – all armed – have the advantage of shooting DOWN on the advancing hordes.

Likewise the Japanese never planned to invade the mainland USA – because Admiral Yamamoto – having gone to school at Harvard – said 'there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass'.

Do some research Quasi – see how they keep Israeli schools safe – see what their teachers carry/wear... Over there the madmen pray to Mecca 5 times a day.

To: bindersfull ohwomen

>> ... how are we gonna lock up all the psychos

There are 270 million guns – 80 million Americans own them. The manpower and money do not exist to force their surrender...

There are FAR FEWER psychos – and they move through a filtering system – called our schools.

By the time a kid reaches 6th grade he/she is showing signs – and can be identified, helped, - and if necessary isolated. By the time they're sophomores – if they are adjudged as 'psycho' – then they can be committed. Think Klebold and Harris....

Be alert to kids who deliberately estrange and isolate themselves.

Mike: to answer your question about the Bushmasters:
1. stop selling clips to the semi-automatic rifles and other assault weapons; no clips , the weapons are useless
2. ban the future sale of automatic assault weapons with federal legislation so it applies to all 50 states; you don't have to worry about waiting periods, registrations, felons,mentally ill if they are banned.
3. prevent the sale of automatic weapons at gun shows, gun shops and over the internet;
4. $$$ for voluntary turning in of semi-automatic weapons; after the school massacre in Scotland, 172,000 weapons were turned in.
5. drop a dime on those that possess
6. where there are records of sales , have the local police make a house call.
It's a gradual process, but better than doing nothing. People WITH guns kill people. Your answer is more guns, so we'll never agree. Let the legislatures vote and decide. That is how we handle things in a democracy.

Except for that unnecessary slur about 'NRA gun nuts' Mike, - I compliment your patience dealing with young Tyler.

Be careful though, - he ~ sounds ~ pretty dogmatic in his opinions. Now with multiples of us pushing back and poking holes,...he may feel unloved and cornered. He may become desperate,...and buy a gun...

And as you so correctly pointed out, some of his views are very troubling already.

As a father of two and husband of a wondeful wife, safety and personal awareness are always at the fore front of my day to day life. Be it walking around the block, or shopping at the Basket'.

As a sportsman, it's personal resposibilty that is at the fore front.

An adult that is engaged in a childs world makes a mountain of difference.

To: 'david mokal'

You are CLEARLY confused calling ME a 'moonbat'. Guess you haven't been on my blog.

- Violent video games and porn star teachers = NO!

- Patriot Act has some over-reaching parts.

- 'GEEZER GAURDS' = please use your spellchecker.

My point is that we employ retired folks as school crossing guards – they do a fine job. In a similar manner we can hire retired cops and military [folks with decades of documented training] as armed school guards.

- Don't YOU worry about who can beat the crap out of me....

Strongly suggest you think and proofread before you post again. It would help if you have something constructive to add to the discussion.

The esiest method to help get guns off the streets would be to stop all gun and ammunition sales in your individual town.

Each individual City or Town has the right to dictate what gets sold in their City or Town. Most towns have banned porn shops others have banned bars & alcohol. Immediately stop issuing permits to gun & ammo sellers. Herd the gun sellers like buffalo to city's and towns far away or even out of state.

Dicks Sporting Goods sells Guns & Ammo right in the Square One Mall in Saugus. Nothing like easy access to every 15 year old hanging at the mall to drool over.

I just knew some reference to violent video games was coming, and you didn't disappoint, Mr. Mokal. Any parent worth their salt wouldn't be letting very young children playing THOSE games. And ifanyone's older kids are playing those games, then proper parenting comes into play in telling the kids video games, are just what they are...VIDEO GAMES!

G'Morning Paul,

I think that Colorado grandfather – just like Mrs. Lanza – was in fear of his life.

I had a friend in the Army about 25 years ago – who had a disturbed kid – lived in mortal fear of what he thought might be 'a homing torpedo'. He'd tried many times to get the court to commit the kid – each time the court said 'he has to commit a serious crime - FIRST...'.

Throughout this series of postings you see people - who understand NEITHER guns or mental illness - making sweeping but simplistic pronouncements about getting guns/ 'clips'/ magazines/ ammunition out of town or out of state.

You see people DEMANDING that WE DO SOMETHING – with no real clue what they're talking about. [They tend to feel the same about 'man-made global warming' and 'dying polar bears'.]

By now it's obvious that schools, churches, malls, and theaters will be targets for the criminally insane – including insane children. The youngest killer on record was just 6.

AND, it's not just an American thing. School killings and massacres occur around the world. In China they use knives...

SO, the rational people will protect the schools, with armed guards and armed teachers, - so that the next madman will be met with trained force. We can learn from the Israelis - who are surrounded by the insane...

Blaming guns and video games is like blaming cars for drunk-driver highway fatalities.

Surette al you n Mike like to do is name call. You set here smokin your fatties trying to upset other posters by calling them Geezers and Moonbats. Get a life and stop crybabying. Thats all your good for is name callin and insults. Remember it was a teacher's MoM who enabled the guns. Lets start there.Further more Iron and Surette you aint got the ballines to say what you say here to someone's face. Your just a phony name on a blog site. You dont bother me one bit. Your just a Girly Man.

First point, Mr. Mokal....I do NOT smoke pot. Remember the discussion on this thread earlier? You think that people who actually smoke pot walk around aimlessly like zombies and commit crimes, Both of which neither is true! Secondly, I called NO ONE a Moonbat or Geezer. Again, you're confused. You really should seek medical attention, as maybe Alzheimer's is setting in for you. And lastly, Anything I say here, I have said to people's faces. And you know why I get away with it in the real world? Because people actually respect my opinion...because it's an honest one. So go eat your prunes and drink your Ensure! Clearly, anyone trying to get their point across to you is like, well, arguing with a stroke patient!

I'll tell you one thing they don't do - walk into a school with a Bushmaster and slaughter 26 people.

A couple of comments have been removed for violating our Terms of Use which state in part, "Without limitation, you agree that you will not post or transmit to other users anything that contains Content that ... contains “masked” profanity."

Try to avoid the personal attacks guys. I'd ask you to consider: "A Democratic Spirit is one that combines rigor and humility, i.e., passionate conviction plus sedulous respect for the convictions of others. As any American knows, this is a very difficult spirit to cultivate and maintain, particularly when it comes to issues you feel strongly about. Equally tough is a D.S.'s criterion of 100 percent intellectual integrity — you have to be willing to look honestly at yourself and your motives for believing what you believe, and to do it more or less continually.

This kind of stuff is advanced U.S. citizenship. A true Democratic Spirit is up there with religious faith and emotional maturity and all those other top-of-the-Maslow-Pyramid-type qualities people spend their whole lives working on. A Democratic Spirit's constituent rigor and humility and honesty are in fact so hard to maintain on certain issues that it's almost irresistibly tempting to fall in with some established dogmatic camp and to follow that camp's line on the issue and to let your position harden within the camp and become inflexible and to believe that any other camp is either evil or insane and to spend all your time and energy trying to shout over them."

http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/567048.html here ya go more guns

Thank you, Mike G....at least you get it! And to our esteemed resident senior citizen, Mr. Mokal, I have three kids. And guess what? They KNOW the difference between right and wrong! You know why? Their parents had the good sense to let them know what right and wrong is, and to not blame OTHERS for their misdeeds. You are a fossil, sir, plain and simple!

Not to seem barbaric or insensitive Folks – but if somebody commits murder...I want them tried fairly, ...and if the evidence is solid,...I want them executed!

Why should honest law-abiding taxpayers be paying for a lifetime of housing dangerous people [including their sex-change operations and conjugal visits] when lethal injection or a firing squad quickly solves the problem. There are good people who need those organs!

Yes, the death penalty IS a deterrent! Merry Christmas Folks! "Happy Holidays" Democrats!

To My Flock,

As a man of the cloth in this holiday season, let me suggest a philosophical approach to make Iron Mike's recommendation acceptable by all. Many find the death penalty abhorrent. For that reason capital punishment has been renamed with a three letter acronym - RBC (Retroactive Birth Control).

Your spiritual advisor,
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

How elitist and arrogant of you Mister Cavaretta!

You want information on CHELMSFORD gun owners – so you can burglarize their homes, - or so you can swear out warrants and round them up?

What business on earth is it of YOUR'S who legally owns guns – anywhere? What parts of the words '...shall not be infringed.' do you have the most trouble with?

What do you want to know NEXT, - what people do in their bedrooms, and what TV they watch?

You've just proven to all of us that you are essentially a frustrated left-wing would-be dictator.

TO: Diana:

As a living organ donor I can assure you that the Chinese run a thriving international business in organ transplants. They execute convicts when the recipients show up – single shot point-blank to the base of the skull. Suggest you do a tad of research before you boldly write “I'm pretty sure...”.

Hold on, Mokal....I just spit my drink on my laptop. First off, I respect most of the elderly....they have seen it all, been there! So there is a lot to learn. You, however, my friend have let your dimentia take over. It seems paranoia has set in for you. You keep making references about 'mulitple identities'. SInce you're only skilled in an abacus, let me enlighten you. YOUR very own computer has a unique identification, called an IP address. IP stands for Internet Provider. Every piece of hardware that is exposed to the internet has an ID. Patch.com has the ability to track every IP address. That means ME as well. Daniel DeMaina has already explained to you that no one here has multiple identities on this thread. He can verify. Secondy, go check Facebook, and do a search for Malden High School Class of 1982. I am on there! We just had our 30th reunion last month. Thirdly: Someone called you a bad name, so you're going to litigate? You trully need medication and attention if you think THAT would ever happen! I will let you know when I'm done laughing!

P.S. Mr. Mokal.....stick to the subject at hand, which was "Have You Reviewed with Your Children What to Do in 'Danger' Scenarios? Should You?"

Surette my gang is the same age as you. We are all Home Boys and Girls raised here 3d generation. I do care and this should not happen. I still say the video gams the violent ones are brainwashing. When I was a kid we were brainwashed into smoking and drinking because it looked manly and glamorous for girls. Last nite on Fox the stats said that many kids are getting 16 hrs of killing people.We have glorified Drug Dealers in the 70's, in the 60's it was kool to be a gangster. So you see even we seniors and our parents were brainwashed. I can imagine what that classroom looked like. Pieces of skull and body parts splattered all over. Bullets exploding in to these little bodies. Yes I do care and would like to see gaurds in everyschool. The times have changed.Lets hope next year they will wake up and make things right. Merry Christmas Happy New Years

"IP" stands for "Internet Protocol" and only your router's externally-facing network interface would have an IP address visible to the greater Internet.

:)

Merry Christmas.

Now we are coming very close to 2013 and technology is incredibles. This is what I would do. Camera's in every school in and outside. Fingerprint ID at every door,Every child gets a DNA on file. That would be a good start. Large Companies that do Military Work has this,also an eye print. Now this would be manned by a security station in the school.

TO All: Merry Christmas.
[To Democrats – 'Happy Holidays!']

I am relieved to see that despite his several days of nasty and obnoxious postings, Mister Mokal has come around to the common sense idea of armed guards in schools. There is hope...

Again, Merry Christmas!

I have lived in Malden for 57 years. I haven't met any of my blogging friends, but just like the Sopranos, I have gotten to know and like each of you.
Here we go.
Dave, hard worker, grey hair, living a ice quiet retirement. a bit liberal, but conservative values. Makes a great neighbor.
Paul, family man, no nonsense, good athlete, likes to break balls, Fearless, very good for Malden.
AnnieO, tall thin redhead. fearless like paul. Would love to see her in Malden politics. She can make things happen.
Dianna, (snarky), my guess is, handsome curly blonde hair, curvy, has cats. Maybe a school teacher or at least educated at an ivy league school. Total liberal.
Iron Mike, vet, fearless, conservative, good man.
Dave Gray, politics looking good for Gray in Malden.
Mike G, a male Diana, snarky, but well versed in Malden politics.

To Mr. Mokal, as well as the other fellow Patchers....Merry Christmas (yes, I said it, without consulting my lawyer!) Have a safe and wonderful holiday, all!

I hear that, Mike. I work third shift, and was just off a slightly 'confusing' shift. :)

Victor, conservative, strong, I share his values.
Carol, hard working italian girl, handsome brunette (I saw your icon) only thing i share with Carol is the hard working italian part. Nice girl, very liberal.
Phe, the best looking army vet to come out of Malden.
There are many more, but have to go. Merry xmass to all.

Wait, one more, Rev. I enjoy reading you comments. My guess, Malden res for 50 plus years, saw it all. Having fun ragging on these blogs.
M xmass

Merry xmass Mike G, good sport, good guy. Glad you are a part of malden getting better.

TO: Ron Powell

>> people likely to use this information

It's a double-edged sword Ron. Burglars intent on ~ simply ~ robing homes of high-end electronics, jewelry, and cash will use it to AVIOD armed homes.

Criminals intent on stealing GUNS [because with records they can't BUY them...] – will use it to target those homes. Both ways – that paper did an evil deed which will aid and abet criminals. THEY don't care – they wanted the sensationalism. Crimes are easy stories to sensationalize.

Very well told Rev! Merry Christmas!

None of these 'liberals' can tell you the number of unarmed innocent people murdered by their own rulers during the 20th Century.

Sigh.

To The Old Malden's gone....good points you made. People like Steven Cavaretta have something new to obsess and be outraged about. I call them 'part-time activists'. I hate to tell you, Mr. Cavaretta, but most folks who own LEGAL firearms, are law abiding citizens. Mike G made a reference earlier about Cheerios. If you want to know if I have a gun, and am registered on a data base, then I certainly have a right to know what kind of cereals you frequent. Only seems fair!

@ Fred at 65 I dont have 1 grey in my head TY. But Paul Is a lil right I am getting a lil ALZAWHICHAMACALLIT. Merry Christmas My Freind and Have a Safe New Years.

To all the posters here I hope everyone had a great Christmas and Please have a safe New Years. HAPPY NEW YEARS EVERYONE !!!!

TO: Aron Levy

Sorry Arron, but in your attempt to belittle my knowledge of history, - you've revealed your own vacuum.

The Japanese invasion of Attu and Kiska on 6 June 1942 was a vain attempt to lure our Pacific Fleet north - away from their main objective - Midway. Nimitz wasn't fooled, - but it seems you were. Happy New Year!

Hey guys, settle down. Talk to the topic (danger scenarios with children) and not each other. Thanks.

Even if state law did change, I still probably would not feel ethically comfortable with publishing the information of a private citizen possessing a firearm unless it was involved in an alleged crime. But to reiterate, I think generalized statistics would be a good source of discussion.

The NRA suggested Armed Guards at schools to which NYC Mayor Bloomberg called stupid. The NYC Police School Safety Division has 5,000 Agents and 200 police officers in NYC schools. Agents have Peace Officer authority while on duty and can make Warrantless arrests and use Deadly Force. they made over 900 arrests this year. Go for the salt Bloomy!

I am for an armed person at schools. A policeman, or a teacher, would be nice. I like armed marshals on air planes too. I would like more armed persons in religious churchs, also .

For the record - There were armed guards at Virginia Tech and Columbine. And we all know what happened. Therefore, why would you want that? What do you do when one of the "armed guards" goes ballistic? Why not focus on some of the real problems such as easy access to assault rifles?

It is actually against the law to publish the names and addresses of gun owners in Massachusetts.

MG.L. Chapter 4 Section 7 Article 26

"Public records'' shall mean all books, papers, maps, photographs, recorded tapes, financial statements, statistical tabulations, or other documentary materials or data, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by any officer or employee of any agency, executive office, department, board, commission, bureau, division or authority of the commonwealth, or of any political subdivision thereof, or of any authority established by the general court to serve a public purpose, unless such materials or data fall within the following exemptions in that they are:

.....
(j) the names and addresses of any persons contained in, or referred to in, any applications for any licenses to carry or possess firearms issued pursuant to chapter one hundred and forty or any firearms identification cards issued pursuant to said chapter one hundred and forty and the names and addresses on sales or transfers of any firearms, rifles, shotguns, or machine guns or ammunition therefor, as defined in said chapter one hundred and forty and the names and addresses on said licenses or cards;

Just when I was going to have to post that myself, Ron came along and figured it out. Too bad, so sad for you, Mr. Caravetta :) Folks like you, Steve, think EVERYTHING people do sgould be a matter of public record, EXCEPT when it comes to yourself!

Hmmmmm.....the City with the strictest gun laws is also the most violent.....

Hot damn....there's still darn near 4 days left in 2012 boys.....keep goin'

Of course all these Lic. holders are risking having their cards pulled.

Pay no matter though....Imma thinkin that their firearms are fully insured for them there damages.......

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/28/16212238-grim-milestone-chicago-records-500th-homicide-of-2012?lite

I believe it would be very convenient to have the names and addresses of citizens owning fire arms in your community. After all, it would be nice to know with which of your neighbor(s) you can argue safely.

Quasimodo....'Non-religious churches'? Have you been spiking the eggnog again?

No armed guards at Columbine. The Security Guard that was there said his gun was in the trunk of his car several blocks away from the school. VT has a general ban on guns on campus including employees.

BTW, Adam Lanza was not wearing Body Armor. He was wearing a Fishing Vest. Great job MSM.

We the public will likely never learn the full story of Sandy Hook – because too many witnesses are dead, and because über-liberal Connecticut will redact the reports – to 'protect the privacy' of dead people...

But it IS beginning to appear that the mayhem committed by madman Adam Lanza was all done with handguns, - that mom's 'military-style, high-capacity ASSAULT rifle' was in his car, - unused.

Those FACTS won't stop either Diane Feinstein or Steve Cavaretta.

They've made up their minds, - they 'KNOW' how to protect school kids, - and neither facts or our Constitution will stop them.

When copy-cat events occur in Jan and Feb, - they'll howl anew! But they STILL won't support putting retired military and cops as armed guards in schools.

The first story I heard was the auto pistols were used then It changed to an assault rifle.Depends which news you were listening too. But regardless these lil kids were massacred whatever he used.

Folks, do NOT expect politicians to engage in ANY meaningful discussion correlating certain mental illnesses – particularly in KIDS – with spree killings.

We'll be lucky if they even mention it.

WHY? Because 'mental illness' [aka Special Needs] has become a multi-billion dollar federal racket. There are more people making a living 'caring for' the mentally disturbed, - and offering soothing reassurance to their parents – than work in the firearms industry.

These 'mental illness caregivers' all vote Democrat. Politicians can count. Easier to nurture the caregivers than bluntly state that SOME mentally disturbed kids NEED to be locked away.

Now before you liberals break your keyboards responding, - remember it was the ACLU and other groups that sued states to empty their asylums back in the 60s. The mentally ill could be 'mainstreamed' – in our schools, even in the workplace. Just months ago Eric Holder authorized hiring retards for the DoJ.

So no liberal politician will give Adam Lanza's mental history a hard look. You'll have to do that. Or you can just blame 'guns'.

To Cecil and Gene, You stand corrected. - If you google this topic you will find numerous articles dealing with this subject. I chose this from UPI.com because it makes mention of both points I had made.
My question for you is: Where is your proof?

"Unfortunately for LaPierre, two disastrous examples directly contradict his position.

On April 20, 1999, Columbine High School had an armed guard--Sheriff's Deputy Neil Gardner on duty on campus. Although Gardner was on duty (he was eating lunch when the shooting started), Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were able to kill 12 students and a teacher, and wound 21 others and before committing suicide.
And Virginia Tech, which remains the site of the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history, had what amounted to a SWAT team on campus. According to the governor's report on the 2007 shootings that left 32 people dead and 17 wounded, the Virginia Tech police department, a fully accredited police force, has an emergency response team. On April 16, 2007, 34 armed officers were on duty.
Neither Gardner at Columbine High School, nor the Virginia Tech Police force, were able to prevent the events of two of the worst mass gun murders ever to occur in the U.S."

From "Wayne LaPierre, NRA want armed guards in schools but Columbine had one"
Read more: http://www.upi.com/blog/2012/12/21/Wayne-LaPierre-NRA-want-armed-guards-in-schools-but-Columbine-had-one/4111356112309/#ixzz2GPdbopnF
By GABRIELLE LEVY, UPI.com

Iron Mike Your use of the word retard is as offensive as the n word please refrain

Mike,
God pitty you if you ever find yourself with a mentally disabled grandchild you would think twice before throwing around terms that show plan and simple ignorance this no pc old school bravado is why the grasp of political power is no longer with the GOP

1- all you folks calling for more gun laws - Do you even know how many lawas are already on the books and what they are?
2 - a mentally disturbed individual with access to legal guns committed an atrocity. The guns didn't do it. They may have made it easier but the gun wasn't the issue: the mental illness of the individual is what caused this
3 - instead iof spending more tax $$$$ which we don't have on armed guards at every school, why not install magnetic type locks on doors that require id badge type access. Making it so you can't open the door without swiping. Also, you could "lock down" the system in the event of a shooter so no door opens period. It would have to be either smashed down by emergency personnel or electronically released. However, the foor would always be able to open from the inside.
Remember, let's not go crazy with emotion over this. It was horriffic but take the time to analyze what happened, how it happened and who committed the act. Less knee jerk and more brain work.

As mental illness keeps popping up here as something that should be studied carefully as a preventative measure, here are some articles that are worth reading:

"Considered a form of high-functioning autism, Asperger's is a neurological disorder generally characterized by difficulties with social interaction and communication with others. Children who have autism may have more severe tantrums and meltdowns than other youths, but the disorder is not typically linked to violence, said Mohan Krishnan, a clinical neuropsychologist who works with children and adults who have Asperger's at Hope Network Behavioral Health Services in Grand Rapids, Mich. "In adulthood, planned acts of violence are not associated with people with Asperger's," Krishnan said:" http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/people-asperger-rarely-harm-don-quick-link-adam-lanza-actions-syndrome-expert-article-1.1221443

"It is commonly assumed that mental illness or stress levels trigger gun violence. But that's not borne out at the state level. We found no statistical association between gun deaths and mental illness or stress levels. We also found no association between gun violence and the proportion of neurotic personalities:" http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/01/the-geography-of-gun-deaths/69354/

Someone asked me why I carry a .45 cal. I answered because they don't make a .46!!

My point Folks – however crudely some of you took it – is that WE DON'T KNOW – and will likely NEVER KNOW what Lanza's TOTAL mental problems were.

Why?

Because the State of Connecticut [like most states] will consider his mental and physical records 'private'. So we'll put more kids at risk to protect the 'privacy' of a dead spree killer.

Most mental patients are relatively harmless. But some are violent, quick to anger, - hold grudges for imaginary insults, - and become homicidal. There are events which trigger their spree killing.

And in almost every case thus far reported – SOME people in position of authority either did nothing, - or tried to continue mainstreaming them.

Easier to blame 'guns' – than do early identification of dangerous and homicidal kids. Klebold and Harris were well known troublemakers and misfits – and the 'experts' did nothing... Then of course, - they blamed the guns.

>> if these tools intended for killing weren't available, they wouldn't be able to kill like they do.

Balderdash Jon! Absolute Balderdash. In China and Japan spree killers of school children use knives. Please read the news – or google the facts.

In Cambodia most of the 1.9 million killed were killed with shovels and knives – bullets were in short supply. In Rwanda in 1994 the Tutsi and Hutu used machetes and hoes to kill 800,000+ of each other – in just 100 days.

It is simply a mindless left-wing knee-jerk reaction to blame 'guns' for the actions of the pathologically insane. The 'special needs industry' stands between us and the truth, - and they have way more votes than the NRA.

Outlawing guns won't stop spree killings. Outlawing drunk driving didn't stop drunk driving deaths – often by serial repeat offenders. Outlawing bank robbery hasn't ended bank heists. Outlawing alcohol with the 18th Amendment merely gave birth to a nationwide criminal empire.

Is this all too deep for you?

I love it Rev. i would like to see some stats on sprecial education success after they are done with it. I have a couple of sped graduate stories also. Both were total waste of money. I think your figure of 300k is a little low.

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My more conservative brethren will carefully note that the Liberal reaction to spree killings in schools, malls, theaters, and churches is to BAN GUNS.

They give NO THOUGHT to investigating the DNA and medical history of the killers – 'that would be an invasion of privacy'.

So they'll shred our Constitution instead.

I say – if they really CARED ABOUT HELPLESS CHILDREN – then child rape in this state would warrant the Death Penalty.

But,...what's the worst John Burbine is facing? Life? With conjugal visits and a state-funded sex-change operation? He video-taped over 100 acts of himself raping infants and toddlers. Any of these LIBERALS demanding we ban video cameras and computers?

NO! Even liberals find computers and cameras essential to their lives. Hmmm! Any of them ever stop a mugger or a home invader with a computer? "We don't NEED computers!!!"

FASCISM -
Any Movement, Ideology or Attitude that Favors Dictatorial Government, Centralized Control of Private Enterprise, And Repression of All Opposition.
Sounds Like The Insanity that is being Spewed by Obama and other leftwing wannabe tyrants.
Thank God for the 2nd Amendment!

Hey people, we just got a ton of snow. Anybody want to talk about that?

Why was the Second Amendment so pivotal as to occupy the second place in the list?
It is precisely because The Gun is the single instrument that man has devised that renders equal the weak and the strong, the young and the old, the male and the female. It makes the gay man the equal of the half-dozen homophobes in a truck taunting and threatening to drag him behind it with a rope until he dies. It makes the 90lb woman the equal of the 225lb would-be-rapist. It makes the 60-year old shopkeeper the equal of the 18-year old iron-pumping thug.
And finally, and most-importantly, it makes the people, individually and collectively, the equal of the government.
The founders understood that without unfettered individual ownership of firearms there is no such thing as a Constitutional Republic. There is instead "democracy" -- which is best described as the bigger or more-numerous you are the more rights you have.
This, of course, means that if you're small, frail, unpopular or singular....

You have no rights at all!

The gun-banners would have you believe that the Second Amendment is some quaint notion -- an anachronism. They claim that "The Gun" is an instrumentality of violence and death; that its primary purpose is to kill people and that's what it mostly does. They point to the 10,000 or so homicides with guns a year in support of this.

But these people not only ignore reasonably-recent history, including Nazi Germany, Rwanda and many other instances (indeed there are 200 million people, nearly all disarmed, that governments have murdered outside of "war" in the last 100 years!) but they also ignore the very facts of today.

The fact of the matter is that of those 10,000 homicides about half are black-on-black violence committed by young black men against other young black men. Many are in fact "mutual combat" over something that we rendered illegal unconstitutionally (mostly drug-related), thereby removing their access to peaceful means of settling disputes (the courts.) And worse, the highest prevalence of those crimes are found in places where it is nearly impossible for a law-abiding citizen to be defensively armed. Those victims pay with their lives for the unconstitutional laws that have been imposed upon them.

All the above is compliments of Karl Denninger for thoughtful debate. http://market-ticker.org/

TO: Jon

>> when was the last time either of you used a gun to save your life?

Twice in my lifetime [not counting Vietnam]. Neither time did I need to fire - just showing it was enough to send the vermin running.

Jon, if your entire life has been lived without fear - you are lucky. Not everybody is that lucky. The day your luck runs out - you may die fumbling with the buttons on a cell phone, - trying to reach a cop - with a gun.

This is Tewksbury Patch....did you get hurled off your hometown blog Waltham Patch?

This was sent to me by a concerned reader. It seems I have been picking on the rabid anti-gun folks who actually are suffering from a real mental disorder. Picking on them is the same as say picking on any other type of disability. To those who suffer from this affliction I deeply apologize.

And while I'm at it...for those who have the double affliction of Left Wing Lunacy and Hoplophobia....you truly have my deepest sympathy....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplophobia

TO: Ron Powell

>> Gun laws target African American men.

Thus one could conclude that guns laws – always proposed and passed by liberals – are racist. The first gun laws were designed to keep freed slaves from owning them. Yep, Democrats! Same bunch that formed the KKK and wrote Jim Crow laws.

Revisionist History: A specialty of Modern Democrats.

How many will ask for armed guards in their kids' schools, - and how many will rant about 'outlawing guns' – while sending their kids into undefended schools next month?

Ron,

A course in logic... even high school level would do you some good. You would learn the distinction between cause and effect.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

My dear sir, Rev. E Raleigh Pinperton III, please refer to your comment of 12/30/12, in which you make reference to the special needs "industry" in MA. I am late to this post but your comment blistered my soul. Let me ask you, wise man that you are, if you had a child with an unusual, very special need, would you not seek help wherever you could? If it meant you needed to move Heaven and earth for services and all of your advocacy in your town/state still did not provide it, would you not go where you needed to go for the child's benefit? Please do not repeat figures you "heard" about, all education is expensive even for the individual child in a regular classroom, more than $10,000/year/child in some towns. Multiply that by the # of years an average child attends school and what figure do you come up with? It happens that MA was a pioneer in providing for spec. needs kids, that's true, and I take part of the responsibility for that since I and a number of parents of kids (who were unserved or underserved, in basement rooms of schools, hidden from the regular school population and given nothing but quiet busy work with not a thought to enhance their capabilities or prepare them to live in society, locking out the instincts and advice of parents) spent years in advocacy and writing of regulations for Chapter 766 until it was implemented in 1974, then PL94-142, the Federal SPED law took over and I worked on that as well. You, sir, should applaud this commonwealth, not berate

Pinperton continued ... it for providing for all of its citizens, especially the less intellectually fortunate. I advise you to examine your soul and really ask yourself how you would handle a situation in which you find you need to bury (in your mind) a child you thought you had only to find that he/she has an entirely different way of learning that requires an individual plan (which, in my opinion, every school-aged child SHOULD have, rather than assume they all learn the same way). Be generous in your thoughts ... we are all God's children and all our brother's keepers. If you are truly a Rev., you should know that and not need me to lecture to you.

ANNA..........even those who represent themselves as "preachers" need to be lectured once in a while by the folks they preach to. Loved your passionate and well thought through response. Keep up the terrific work you and others do on behalf of kids who need you.

Joe Lynch
Somerville, MA

Great posts Anna. Old Snarky was starting to get to you in earlier post. You are one special lady. Snarky, layoff Anna, she's a good girl.

Reverend ... put a sock in it. You don't know what you're talking about. Public schools are "free" to all children, paid for by our taxes. I would sincerely like to look at your statistical facts re: the # of children being served who are not MA residents to begin with. Also, the likes of me need to be what you call self serving since the likes of you would have us all in a closet with our kids. I take umbrage at your reference to me as a screamer, I am anything but, I work with the system and the powers who can affect change and when I see injustice, I work for justice and change, and further, I am highly respected in the legislative circles that have an interest in providing equal education for all children. I suggest you not rely on hearsay and that you think before you speak, sir, and consider your words ant to whom you make inappropriate remarks.

Anna writes,

"...and further, I am highly respected in the legislative circles..."

That's all that counts. Carry on, Anna.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

To the question of this post ... yes, discussion should take place with children, there's no hiding the situation and I feel the only way to discuss this with children is to simply assure them that what happened was not a thing that happens in any ordinary day or time, that the incident was a phenomenon and in no way can they expect a repeat performance of such activity. I don't necessarily know that to be fact but it seems to me the only comfort to give child. We all hope it doesn't happen again so why not pass on such hopeful thoughts. I cannot imagine the fear that kids face after such an incident but I bet it's monumental and my goal would be to help them to feel as safe as possible. Not sure I really know how to do that, but these are my thoughts on the matter.

Hey folks, calm down.

Thank you Fred. It gets rather lonely here at Our Lady of Perpetual Misery. Anna cannot help herself. Being an "advocate" makes It is difficult to have a rational discourse. If you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Your spiritual advisor,
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

Mike G. ......... Tried and failed!