I don't see how it could work....

This is a Ridiculous proposal to put the city yards in one of the nicest sections of the city. Look at the eyesore that is down by the Malden River now.!!!

Mcfaddens must be closer to a liquor store. Boston Steele has one across the street, but you can bet the main decision point is the proximity.

This will be fun to watch, Mr Kinnon against Ms Murphy. There is no way Mr Kinnon wants big orange trucks coming and going while he has a school/gym/day care/pool/sports complex right next door. Popcorn anybody?

I agree allamericancity1967! It will be fun. I wonder if Kinnon does not want it there so the Charter School can buy the property. No matter where it goes, the DPW yard is an eye sore and must be cleaned up.

Boston Steel would be the logical sight, as it would be in a commercial zone. Who would want trucks coming and going in winter during a snow storm. Also at the present city yards there use to be a big problem with "RATS" in the rear of building as the city dumps trash there and is put in dumpsters but rats still there. We use to shoot them on the late shifts.

What is wrong w the current site?

Idiots........

I agree that a residential area as dense of the Forestdale location is inappropriate. I also believe that the Boston Steel site would make a great new city hall site or public safety building. Why cant we use rehab the current DPW site? What is slated/proposed for that location?

I think the city is in a lease with Combined properties down there, it's probably coming up for renewal, just a guess. The only building that would be able to be built on that land is a prison, the land is dirty all the way to China, and it was like that when the DPW moved in.... pass the popcorn please.

I would first like to know who comes up with ridiculous ideas such as this one, what's next putting a dump next to a playground? Let me tell you if this nutty idea even comes to some sort of fruition it won't just be the residents of Ward 5 that will be up in arms, it will be everyone in the city. When Barbara had her last quarterly ward meeting, McFadden Manor was one of the things that was discussed. There were a lot of people from Ward 5, but also people like myself who do not live in that ward but have an interest in what happens to it. There was a discussion for possibly making it into parking with having a park attached to it so that people could enjoy the area. Even maybe showcasing the historical aspects of the property. If you ask me, this sounds like payback that Neil is doing to Barbara because she did not go with something he wanted. BTW I live in Ward 6 (please don't feel sorry for me) and I worked at Mcafadden, so I care more about McFadden than what some nasty man who likes to throw tantrums wants to do especially if it is not in the city's best interests.

Bad idea. I thought the goal was to move the facility to a central location, not destroy a beautiful neighborhood on one of the City's residential borders. City Council, I beg you to keep this in an industrial district.

I think Forestdale is too heavily populated, and a pretty area, to stick the DPW there. Lets face it, even at new place, it is not going to be pretty to look at. During a snow storm you will have all the trucks coming and going all hours of the night and it would not be fair to the residents in that area, you will see a mass exit from that section of Malden. The steel company on Eastern Ave is the proper place, like it was said earlier, it is better located in a business zone, on a main street, and not that many houses right there. But, since most would agree that would be the area for it, it will probably not happen, especially if Neil doesn't want it, after watching the meeting two weeks ago, if it isn't what he wants the city does not get it or he has little tantrum with insults and embarrassing comments to everyone on the council.

Both bad idea's. We should spend $4.3 million dollars on Boston Steel? Oh yes and I live in the Faulkner neighborhood so I don't count? My house is a right up the street from Boston Steel which is a clean operation. Should I have to have the rats in my neighborhood? Just as many houses over here. McFadden is free Boston Steel is millions? I say keep it where it is. Of course those of us who don't live in the pristine Forestdale neighborhood don't count? Area was just starting to look better and get cleaned up and now this. When was this move discussed I did not see it in the papers?

Like everything else, it is was discussed BEHIND CLOSED DOORS I am sure. I do agree Faulkner neighborhood shouldn't have to put up with it either, I was just thinking that Eastern Avenue is easier access for the public and is a business district. Besides the charter school needs it for a parking lot for their two new buildings. Nestor, DArcangelo and Kinnon will all vote against it on Eastern Avenue, they will want to table it to go to ordinance or want the city solicitor to look at it to see if it is legal. That is what those three always want if they don't get their way.

The City former mayor and the former City Council (some still present) 11 to 0 VOTED to close the only decent Health Facility in the city of Malden and shipped out the 42 residents to die in areas outsiDe Malden. This facility was supposed to be replaced by a medical facility, assisted living etc. We have a dormant Geriatric Authority that should be activated to get the best use. SHAME ON THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR NEGLECT OF DUTY TO TAXPAYERS.

I think I'm usually always in disagreement with MikeG.. But one thing he was spot-on about in a post months ago is if Councillor Kinnon is such a lightning rod and always criticizeed on these blogs, how is he consistently reelected ?
Is this a product of a dumbed down electorate, perhaps ill-informed? Or maybe our we more concerned about keeping up with the Kardashians than keeping up with what's important to us ?

The McFadden isn't exactly the right place for the DPW, there are other locations around town more suited.

moving a dump into a residential area? what's next, opening homeless shelters right across the street from my residential area? oh wait...

I would like to know when this Boston Steel was discussed before for a DPW ?? How come the Patch didn't cover those discussion on a new DPW? What about the public meetings? It seems we have public meetings on everything? Last time I heard they were talking fire station? Now I am going to have a dump near my home? Same old Same old just when I thought things were going to get better with this Mayor? I read the papers every week and watch these meetings on TV every week when was this brought up?

MV: Who was it they said came up with that idea? Um..I believe it was your crush, Neil. Now you get to see what he's all about!

Let's not kid ourselves, this is not what he really wants. His plan is to get Boston Steel out of there. Then he's going to come in and save the day by buying their property (he doesn't want the DPW beside his athletic facility either) for the school. The school has millions to spare as they don't spend it on the kids or teachers' salaries.

Neil has no respect for the DPW as he has sat on the Council for years and done nothing to improve that site. Maybe some don't remember years back when the workers protested against the conditions there. I believe Neil was the DPW Commisioner as well. Similar to when he was Fire Commisioner. We all know how well that turned out.

Maybe the city should locate the DPW at Trafton Park? We don't need so many baseball parks now we've down to only one league, right? The charter school has their own baseball diamond and S. Broadway will have one. Sounds better than McFadden Manor to me. Since we purchased High Rock we have more parkland and can use the extra parkland for other purposes. Thanks, Neil!

So does *anybody* think this is a good idea?

I'm against this idea for personal reasons (I live nearby) but I'm trying to be reasonable about it.

The DPW doesn't actually operate a dump or even a transfer station, correct?

This yard would mostly be used for storing plows, work trucks and road salt, right?

I've never taken a tour of the current yard, so I'm not sure what else it is used for.

How about the Maplewood School and you could add back the fire station and library that belong there. Why is Neil Kinnon able to vote on disposition of property in this city? It is very clear is main interest is in the private school that is eating up all desirable public property in this city. Martha Coakley , where are you?

I got an idea lets put it near Annie O's home but not mine. Bottom line it should go to neither location. Funny Councilor Murphy represents my home is just as close as those in Forestdale. Does my family not count? Yea and Joe you are right would you want to send your kids to a school near a dump? I wouldn't so do you think its right that they would locate it near the school near my house at Boston Steel? This dump needs to stay where its at until they find a better place. $4.3 million seems like a lot of money for that land also.

Like I said just when I thought the neighborhood was looking up and wham, Bike to the Sea path looking good and Annie O's favorite school made the place look great and my home worth more, and I thought we were going to put a community Garden right down at the end of my street along the bike path. Now that was a great idea but who the heck is going to do that and have all there vegetables etc eaten by the rats and rodents from tehe DPW. And don't start telling me they'll keep it clean as we all know what DPW's become everywehre. Dumps.

MV: How is it you want to put the DPW near my home yet not near your "crush's" home? Trafton is sacred land to Neil. See how he would like the DPW put there? He just wants Boston Steel out of there so the school can get a sweetheart deal from the city. If the DPW goes to McFadden, what would be at Boston Steel? Hmm...let me think...right across from the school...closer than Roosevelt field...hmm..what could it be?

MMMMMMMMMMMM sounds like a bit of Cash Flow goin on here. I know..My prediction only..Casinos in Everett will be a go and whats up the road a bit?? DPW. AH HA ! Maybe we need a new Holiday In or more Appartments going in its place. Now move the Charter school in Maplewood to a new school for the younger grades of the Charter Scholl. Whatcha Think??

Why not put the City Yard in upper Broadway near the bowling alleys or where the Newland Street projects are by the Old Roller Skating Rink.

The charter school field parking lot is going where the Boston steel lot is.

Chris,

I don't know if you are still reading this but any chance you could channel your inner Woodward and/or Bernstein and find out *why* the city is looking to move the current yard?

Is allamericancity1967 right in assuming they are losing their lease on the current site?

If so why wasn't the lease renewed? Does the property owner have other plans for the site? Did they jack up the lease rate? Or is the city trying to save money long term by getting off leased land?

Thanks!

The building was built and owned by Combined Properties. They leased it to the city for $150,000 per year for 20 years and then the city took ownership of the building and Malden Redevelopment the land. The charter school was supposed to buy the land for an athletic complex but it fell through because of toxic waste on the site.The current building and land is a total pig sty and a new building is needed because of the situation of the building as well as the land.Another site looked at in the past was the old Friends Beans building and adjacent lands as well as property on Winter St.Nice thought of the city being the owner of a hazardous brown fields site.

Why in the world would Boston Steel ever consider moving from prime property to a toxic waste site?

Boston steel is or may move out of Malden the comment was in regards to the current ad DPW property and why a new site is needed

How about moving the DPW to the cemetary? Can someone explain to me why we have to allow the head of the cemetary to live in a house for free? That could be turned into office space. There must already be an area where they keep their equipment and trucks. We could combine the two groups. Use some cemetary workers to fill in for DPW and vice versa. Time to streamline operations.

Here in Malden we are always carping about how much better things are in Melrose. Their DPW yard is across the street from their public swimming pool and diagonal from their brand new High School. They also use open small red totes for their recycling. Trash must just be cleaner in Melrose. I also hear the sun shines brighter there.

The McFadden Manor comment by Kinnon was a joke.

When the cemetery needs extra help they get it from the Middlesex County Sheriff. There are also more than one public cemetery in Malden. there is Salem Street and Belrock.

Gene, as usual you seem to be correct. Seems like a lot of this story is lost in translation and not having camera's rolling. Just read this on the Malden Advocate site. The quote in that story provides some light.http://malden.advocatenews.net/accusations-swirl-around-boston-steel-property-purchase-for-dpw-yard/ Thank you Councilor Kinnon for standing up for my neighborhood.

The area around McFadden is beautiful. I think this is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard.

MV: I read the article and so many things made me laugh. The king of "executive sessions" at the charter school is running to the AG to accuse Mayor Gary of violating Open Meeting laws! LOL LOL

Before you go kuddling up again, make one thing clear: the Boston Steel site will not go to anything other than the charter school. Kinnon will use his position on the Council to block anything other than his agenda. The fact he threatened Barbara Murphy with being in favor of moving the DPW to McFadden proves that to me.

No way should we be selling the DPW to Combined in exchange for the Ruderman's building. For all the money it will cost to retrofit or purchase another property, why not fix what we have? That land will become more valuable as Rivers Edge is developed or a casino moves into Everett.

Whateva Annie looks like a good number of Councilors might agree. Looks like my Councilor and yours agree on Boston Steel however they got there. I know you hate that he is your Councilor but what he has touched in my neighborhood has been all positive, and a good many in yours would say the same. In fact I would have to say the same about down on Highland Ave too which I think is Ward Two.

MV: I have no problem with the school building a real campus nearer to the athletic facility and in fact would prefer that over the subpar facilities (Maplewood school) the middle grades have to endure. The end does not justify the means no matter what you have to say. Look at the trial Tim Cahill just went through on much lesser deals than what has gone on here in this city. Look at Sal DiMasi and Tom Finneran and they pale in comparison. All politics is local and we sure have our fill here.

BTW: The charter school is dumping a bunch of money into the old fire station--which they never did while our brave fire fighters were there and paying rent. Shameful.

What a terrible idea this is. Who came up with this? The other councilor who wants to put little DPW sub-stations is serious about that?

Put the DPW in Revere with the fire department.